Friday, June 15, 2012

Video Response

So, this is my response to the Atheist "Challenge" put forth by Youtube user GodIsReal101.

Here's the original video:



He virtually guarantees that anyone who accept this challenge will contradict themselves.  Of course, when you intentionally ask questions that have contradictory answers, that's pretty much gonna happen.  Oh, well.


"This is a Challenge for all non believers."
Not really.
"1.How do you think life began?"
What I think about how life began is irrelevant.  The evidence as of now is inconclusive.  I don’t know.  I’m fairly certain you don’t know, and i’m fairly comfortable saying that whoever wrote your favorite version of whatever bible you use didn’t know either.
"Does empirical science prove your answer?"
I’m not sure how to employ empirical science to show that I don’t know something.  Maybe you can help me out on that one.  As far as using it to demonstrate that you don’t know, i’m not sure how to do that either....except to say that if you did know, it’d be the scientific discovery of the ages and instead of making Youtube videos, you’d be publishing your results and collecting your Nobel Prize.  As far as the writers of your favorite version of your favorite bible are concerned, empirical science can demonstrate that they were wrong about the age of the earth, they were wrong about the moon being a light, and they were wrong about the earth pre-dating the sun and stars.  Based on that alone, i’m fairly confident in saying that they probably didn’t know the origin of life on earth either.
"2.Why has every civilization believed in a creator?"
Every civilization has not believed in a creator.  Some have believed in multiple creators.  But that’s beside the point.  Belief in gods developed out of primitive man’s attempts to understand the world using the limited perspective and amount of information he possessed.  As the first civilizations formed, these beliefs were codified into the first religions.  As civilizations advanced and became more complex, so did the religions.  What type of environment a civilization was located in had a lot to do with the religions that developed.  In Mesopotamia, the flooding patterns of the Tigris and Euphrates were violent and unpredictable.  As a result, the Mesopotamians worshiped tempermental gods that were prone to fits of rage and frequently smote things (sound familiar?).  The flood pattern of the Nile, however, was predictable and not destructive.  As a result, the Egyptian gods were less emotional.
"3.What types of government structures have been created from an atheistic world view in the past? What positive ideals has atheism offered this world?"
You are talking about atheism as if it were an ideology.  It is not.  Atheism is the rejection of the theistic positive claim.  That’s it.  Secularism, on the other hand, is an ideology.  If you are looking for a government structure based on Secularism, look no further than the U.S. Constitution.
"4.By what authoritative writer or principles do you live your life? Do you live by any standards?"
No one’s writings make my decisions for me.  I think for myself, agree or disagree as I see fit with whoever I choose.   I live according to the knowledge that the planet earth is all we have.  If we screw up here, there’s nowhere else to go. If you don’t like somebody, there’s nowhere else for them to go.  So my principles are this: we all share a collective responsibility to take care of this place and get along as best we can, or we will all die.
I enjoy life and i’m pretty sure most people do...so there’s the incentive.
"5.In your opinion should religion be removed from public? If so where should it be tolerated?"
I have no problem at all with religion being in public.  I do have a problem with one religion being endorsed or paid for with public funds or given a place of prominence on public lands over other religions and religious points of view.  
"6.How did the universe begin?"
In a hot dense state....if you accept the Big Bang model.
"Can nothing create everything?"
This is a pretty damn stupid question.  No, nothing cannot create everything and that’s not what the Big Bang model shows.
"What was the cause?"
Why does there have to be a cause? What if the universe is a living, self-aware entity that just decided one day to expand? What if the rules that apply within space-time do not apply to space-time itself?  If you assert that the universe had to have a cause, then so did the cause. Even if you special-plead an “uncaused cause” into existence, you have no reason to assert with any degree of certainty what the cause is or was.  So to sum it up:  
I don’t know.  I’m fairly certain you don’t know, and i’m fairly comfortable saying that whoever wrote your favorite version of whatever bible you use didn’t know either.
"7.Hypothetically if you had to choose a religion what religion would you choose? Why would you choose this religion? Would you tell others of your religion?"
All religions are based on what amounts to the same evidence: statements of faith from people who have allegedly encountered divine entities, which are then ultimately taken on faith by believers.  Having said this, theologically it makes no difference what religion one chooses.  However, if one had to be chosen, I’d choose one that believed in live and let live, practiced what it preached (no sense being hypocritical), and didn’t require anyone to give money (why would a god need money?).
"8.How can evolution explain features of irreducible complexity apart from intelligent intervention?"
“Irreducible Complexity” is a fancy way of saying “I don’t understand how evolution could have done it,therefore, it must’ve been magic!”  It’s a gussied-up argument from ignorance.  There have been numerous videos and articles made to answer your question for you (if you are legitimately interested in an answer, which I don’t think you are), but the gist is this: Add a part, make it useful.
"9.How can natural selection produce something that is a prerequisite for natural selection to operate?"
Natural selection (like the other evolutionary mechanisms) is the process through which life diversifies.  it is not how life originated.. This is why Darwin explained selection in a book called “Origin of the Species” and not “Origin of Life.”   
"10.Morality seems to change with the times in the atheist community why are morals so subjective within the atheist community?"
All morality changes with the times.  An atheist’s morals are no more or less subjective than anyone else’s.  The atheist simply realizes and acknowledges this.  Morality, in a sense, is a living thing.  Like all living things, it changes, adapts, and …. evolves.
"11.What is the motive of freeing others from their belief in a God if they are happy and content with their belief and dont hurt others?"
I’m not out to “free” anyone of anything they are happy and content with so long as they don’t harm others.  But you see, in this country there are a lot of people who are not content to be happy and content in their beliefs...they want everybody else to be happy and content in their beliefs as well.  They also want to make laws and policies for everybody based on their beliefs.  I will also say this: beliefs spawn assumptions and assumptions spawn actions.  Dangerous beliefs have a tendency to spawn dangerous assumptions and dangerous actions.  
"How can you tell who is not content and happy?"
Ummm....they kinda went over that in kindergarten, didn’t they?
"And why the main focus on Christianity?"
Quick quiz: What’s the number one religion in America?
"12. If humans evolved from Apes why have the transitional species gone extinct but yet the Ape and Man still exist? Why the middle gap?"
Because humans didn’t evolve from apes.  Humans are apes.  Advanced apes, but apes none the less.  We share common ancestry with all the other apes.  One pair of fused chromosomes is all that separates your DNA from that of a chimpanzee.  And as far as why the transitional species went extinct, no one knows for certain.  Possibly something in the environment changed that it couldn’t adapt to or it was outbred by its evolutionary descendants.
"13. Can you give three examples where the narrative of Jesus and his message would be a negative influence if what he said was true?"
Well, there are two problems with that.  One, we don’t know if Jesus existed at the time and place described, if he was a composite character or if he existed at all. The second problem is that we don’t know that everything that was attributed to Jesus was something Jesus actually said or did.
But, assuming that Jesus existed and assuming that everything attributed to him was something he actually said or did and assuming he meant exactly what he said:
1.  "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother"
- Matthew 10:34-35
2.  "Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." - Luke 12:51
3.  “If anyone comes to me and does not hate their father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple." - Luke 14:26
Then there's the whole fig tree incident in Mark 11:12-14, 20-21.  Where Jesus gets mad at a fig tree for not having figs on it …. when it wasn’t fig season.  So he curses and kills the fig tree in a fit of rage....because it was a normal fig tree.  Ummm...yeah, that totally doesn’t sound cocoa for koo-koo puffs at all.  
"14.Do you think the world would be better if there was no belief in a God? What if there were no rules or standards to that belief system?"
And there you go assuming that the existence of rules and standards necessitates the existence of a god.  In fact, there are many Buddhists who live with rules and standards and yet do not believe in a deity.  There’s also something called “Christian Atheists” who follow the (alleged) moral teachings of Jesus but reject the existence of a god..  
"15.Can you give five examples of Atheists being persecuted in America currently?"
Is five the “magic number” of atheists that need to be persecuted before persecution of atheists becomes  wrong?
1.  Nicole Smalkowski was kicked off her Oklahoma public school basketball team and harassed by students and teachers at her school after she told her coach she didn’t want to pray with the team because she was an atheist.
2. Erik Brown of Baton Rouge has had his property vandalized and destroyed, has been threatened with violence and punched in the face for being an atheist.
3. Damon Fowler of Bastrop High School in Louisiana opposed having a prayer at his high school graduation.  He sent a complaint to the Superintendent, who cancelled the prayer.  His name was then leaked.  He was physically threatened by other students, publicly demeaned by one of his teachers, and thrown out of his house by his own parents.
4.  President George H.W. Bush once said of atheists: “I don’t know that atheists should be considered citizens.”  Commentator Michelle Malkin has said that Atheists “Should be treated like trolls.”  Now imagine someone saying this about Jews, or Mormons, or Baptists.  Would it be ok then?
5.  Atheist and Secular students are routinely denied the right to have school clubs and groups despite the presence of religious groups.  When they are allowed to have their club or group, posters advertising them are routinely vandalized and group members are routinely harassed.
I could go on, but you only asked for five.
"16.Do you think the laws that govern America are for the most part just and appropriate?"
The laws themselves are, the enforcement of them is where the problem lies.
"17.Can empirical science prove the missing link, big bang, or the abiogenesis theories? If not why are they taught in schools today?"
Empirical science doesn’t “prove” anything. That’s why we still refer to germ theory, atomic theory and the theory of gravity.  We always leave open the possibility the new information can completely obliterate what we think we know about things.  Theories are models constructed using scientific laws, logical reasoning, and the best available evidence.  When new evidence comes along, the theory needs to be modified to account for it.  If the old theory cannot account for the new evidence, the old theory is discarded  and a new one replaces it.   
Now, these are basic, fundamental scientific principles we are talking about.  Anyone with a proper high school education should know this.  The fact that you, a grown man, needs me to explain this to you really calls into question the quality of education you received as a young man.  
"18. Do you think if the story of Jesus was proven true that his resurrection would be the greatest feat in human history? If not what was greater?"
Yes, i’d consider that one a hum-dinger for sure.  It would  also cause me to question and re-examine the validity of all the resurrection stories that have appeared in various cultures.
"19. What came first the chicken or the egg? What does evolution say?"
It depends on which chicken you are talking about. If you mean one of the hundreds of different breeds that humans have used the evolutionary mechanism of selection to produce over the last thousand or so years,  then your answer is the egg.  Two parents of different breeds made an egg that produced a new breed of chicken.  
If you are talking about the wild chicken that was the first to be domesticated, then i’d still have to say the egg because the evolutionary predecessors to that chicken were laying eggs long before that particular yardbird came onto the scene.    
"20.What three things would you change if you were the creator of this world?"
1.  I would go out of my way to not resemble something that didn’t exist.
2.  There would be no need for a Muscular Dystrophy Association, Autism Speaks, an Association of Retarded Citizens, or child-sized wheelchairs, hands-free speech devices, or leg braces..
3.  There would be absolutely no need whatsoever for a Children’s Cancer Ward at any hospital anywhere.  Furthermore, there would be no such thing or need for a child’s coffin.
"21.If belief in an afterlife is a naïve wish for people that are afraid of death cant non-belief be a naïve wish for people that are afraid of accountability to God after death?"
Well, let’s take a look at the fundamental underlying assumptions each one is based on.
Claim 1: "Belief in an afterlife is a naive wish for people who are afraid of death."
Fundamental Assumptions:
1.  People fear death because they instinctively want to survive.
2.  People observed plants appearing to die in winter time “coming back to life” in the spring, which led to a belief in a life after this one.  
3. Fearful people (with limited perspectives and a limited knowledge of the world) who are told something they want to hear were (and still are) more likely to be persuaded by charismatic “visionaries” and “prophets” who tell fantastic stories about realities beyond this one and mystical beings who determine our destinies.
Problems: None.  All of these things can be shown to be demonstrably true.
Claim 2: "non-belief in an afterlife is a naïve wish for people that are afraid of accountability to God after death."
Fundamental Assumptions:
1.  A reality beyond this one exists.
2.  In this new reality, there resides a god
3.   This god made some rules for us to follow in our current reality and holds us to account for our transgressions in the next reality.
Problems:
1.  You cannot establish that a reality beyond this one exists.   
2.  Even if a reality beyond this one exists, you cannot establish that a god (or 2 gods, or a billion gods) exists in this “other”’ reality.
3.  Even if you special-plead a god (why just one?) into existence in this other reality, you have no way of establishing that it is the god you think it is, which means you have no way to differentiate your book of divinely-inspired rules from anybody else’s.  
So what are you left with? Hoping and wishing and dreaming....but little else.
Now which one sounds more like a naive wish?
"22.In a universe without God or immortality, how is mankind ultimately different from a swarm of mosquitoes or a herd of cattle? Are humans of more intrinsic value?"
Life as we know it is extremely rare in the universe (as far as we know).  From that perspective all life is precious.  However, humans can do things that a swarm of mosquitoes or a herd of cattle cannot.  Therefore, humanity wins.
"23.Do humans possess the ability to feel love, affection, and empathy? If so, explain how? Can it be explained without using the metaphysical?"
Yes.  Humans possess the ability to do these things.  How? Well you’d have to ask a behavioral psychologist or somebody who studies that sort of stuff.  And as far as it can be explained without invoking the “metaphysical,” quite a few things that were once thought to be explainable only through “metaphysical” means turned out to have a naturalistic explanation that didn’t require invoking supernatural mumbo-jumbo.  Based on that alone, I feel fairly confident in saying that such things can be explained without using the “metaphysical.”
"24.Who contributes more charitable services and financial resource to the worlds suffering and impoverished? Atheist or Theist?"
Well, now this is an unfair question given that theists are a majority (90% or more) of the world’s population.  My question is: given the immense numbers and wealth and power that theists have possessed, why haven’t they eradicated poverty and other preventable sources of human suffering?
And for the record, there are numerous charities that do immense good in the world that are secularist, humanist, or unaffiliated with religious groups, mandates or principles.  DonorsChoose.org, Kiva, the Union of Concerned Scientists, UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, and Amnesty International are just a few.
"25.What evidence would you need to prove that God existed and by what standard of evidence?"
Show me a god (any one will do).
Show me supernatural phenomena (have your god poof a unicorn into existence).
Have your god write his name on the moon.
Better yet have your god miraculously heal every child at St Jude’s Children’s Hospital in Memphis without the help of science, doctors, medicine or radiation therapy.  
Have your god close down the Children’s Cancer Ward at the University of Mississippi Medical Center because he has eradicated childhood cancer with one snap of his fingers.  
"Do you follow this same standard in all of your current beliefs?"
Yes. I do.  I demand that anyone who makes a positive claim back it up  with fact-based, logically consistent reasoning....myself included.  My question is: why don’t you? Why don’t you apply the same degree of critical analysis and skepticism to the claims of the bible that you apply to the claims of random Youtube atheists? Why don’t you demand that empirical science “prove” Noah’s flood or talking snakes or bread falling from the sky? Are you afraid to? If so, I don’t blame you.  Fear is one of religion’s most effective recruiting and retention devices.

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